Which Dino should be on the logo?

[Nagisa]

[quote author=residentevil3 link=board=9;threadid=2070;start=15#msg31108 date=1057974041]<br />If you guys want it more realistic then they should also make the Trex not be able to run. I saw on the discovery chanle they now found out and prooved that the trex couldant run very fast at all that was his major flaw. and the reason he didnt last that long. <br /><br />Half of what you think the trex is and can do is wrong and has been prooved now.<hr></blockquote><br /><br />Wow! Hi! I never thought I'd actually meet someone BRAINWASHED BY HORNER'S BULLSHIT!<br /><br />Okay, as far as T.rex not running? Yeah, bullshit. It's leg structure was BUILT for speed. So what if it fell down? Allosaurus &amp; Carcharodontosaurus fell down, and if you really think the arms on those little bints could brace THEIR impact, well good for you, you're a moron.<br /><br />In fact, fossils have been found where large predators had broken ribs that healed over. The way the bones broke denoted they had fallen. The fact that they had healed denoted they had SURVIVED.<br /><br />The reason it didn't last long? USE YOUR HEAD! It was THRIVING up until 65 million years ago when ALL OF DINOSAURIA DISAPPEARED!!!<br /><br />And sure, maybe it couldn't sprint along at 32 miles per hour, but again, USE YOUR HEAD. What was T.rex's prey? Edmontosaurus, Triceratops, Parasaurolophus. Large Hadrosaurs &amp; Ceratopsians that weren't really built for speed. As long as T.rex could make 25 miles per hour, it could catch most of these sorry slabs of paleo-beef!<br /><br />And don't even START on that &quot;Oh ot was tha SCAVENJARR&quot; bullshit, because there's an Edmontosaurus skeleton and BASIC LAWS OF ANIMAL NATURE that flush that RIGHT down the shitter!

[Mexisaurus]

And anyway he didn't need to run, it was enough to walk fast. Tyrannosaurus could just hide in the trees, watching his prey and then with 3 long steps he would catch it with his jaws and that's it, he didn't need to run fast, and the whole scavenger thing sucks!

[Nagisa]

Oh yeah, sorry for blowing up. I guess I should mention that people trying to tell me I'm wrong by using Horner's word greatly annoys and aggravates me. :-[<br /><br />Anyway, yes, there's a virtual warehouse full of reasons why Horner is so very very very very very very very wrong on just about anything he's said about T.rex. Allow me to list just a few.<br /><br />1. There was recently an Edmontosaurus skeleton found that had bite marks in the tail that match the bite pattern of a T.rex (I think they even found a tooth or two). Thing is, the broken tailbones had healed since the bite. If T.rex was a scavenger, WHY did the bones it bit into HEAL? No predator is 100% successful and this prey got away, but it's proof enough that T.rex HUNTED this Edmontosaur.<br /><br />2. NO CARNIVORE in the animal kingdom is a pure hunter or pure scavenger. The truth about every carnivore in nature is that when they can catch and kill a prey, they will, and when they can find a free meal lying dead in the woods, they'll take it. It's all opportunity, pure and simple, and T.rex was the same. When it was more beneficial to hunt, it HUNTED, and when it was more beneficial to scavenge, it SCAVENGED. It did both, not solely either one.<br /><br />3. The jaws and neck were MADE for taking down prey. The jaws gave it one of the strongest bites of any predatory dinosaur. If it were a pure scavengerm that would be one HELL of a waste, ne? The teeth were backwards curved, serrated, and deeply anchored into the head; ideal for easily cutting into and FIRMLY holding a writhing prey. Again, wasted equipment if this was a pure scavenger. The neck was quite powerful, too. If it had all that neck power, but never needed to hold a dying prey in place while it writhed, or to even shake a smaller prey TO DEATH, then again, wasted equipment.<br /><br />4. The one truly valid point Horner's coughed up was the sense of smell. Yes, T.rex's was HUGE, but don't you think that could have just as easily been used to smell LIVE prey as it could have been used to smell DEAD prey? This goes back to what I was saying about predation being opportunistic; all carnivores do both, it all depends on which one is easier at the time. And what about the sense of sight? Studies have shown that T.rex may have had stereoscopic vision. Wanna know what other highly successful animal has stereoscopic vision? Humans.<br /><br />5. Whether it ran or made big strides, T.rex's leg structure was well-designed for pursuit. The structure is actually quite similat to that of the ostrich if I remember correctly. And again, T.rex may not have breached 30mph, buuuut brief bursts at 25mph aren't out of the question.<br /><br />6. Again, a large theropod falling down is not guaranteed dead. Some skeletons have been found with impact fractures resulting from falls, but the fractures had healed. And even though these skeletons were of slightly smaller theropods with slightly longer arms, it really makes no difference. If those animals DID try to stop their falls with their arms, they would have shattered them (multi-ton animal with a fair deal of momentum falling is NOT going to be stopped even by arms like Allosaurus's). Basically, that means they landed ON their chests, broke their ribs, got the wind knocked out of them, but lived to hunt another day. Why would it be any different with T.rex? Bigger animal is heavier, yes, but also has larger bones that support the heavier frame just as well.<br /><br />7. Why do people still LISTEN to Horner talking about theropods? Did anyone else hear him talk about Spinosaurus? He said it was bigger than T.rex, but could RUN FASTER (when he claims T.rex couldn't even break 10mph or whatever). He also said it was a HUNTER, despite it having a MUCH weaker jaw than T.rex, and weaker, cone-shaped teeth. He ALSO seemed to ignore the fact that Spinosaurus's closest relatives -- Baryonyx &amp; Suchomimus -- are built VERY similarly, but are concluded to be primarily piscivorous (fish-eaters).<br /><br />8. Let me touch on one more thing here to make sure we are CRYSTAL CLEAR. T.rex was a VERY successful predator. The reason it was only around for about 3 or 4 million years is because it appeared around 67-68 million years ago. The mass extinction that wiped the ENTIRETY of dinosauria off the face of the Earth occured 65 million years ago. Just bad timing on evolution's part, plain &amp; simple.

[Anonymous]

I REALLY agree about it being a predator. Also, about smell. Good sense of smell is used for so many things. Rhinos, deer, sharks, lizards and many more animals use great sense of smell to either <br /><br />1. Detect danger<br />2. Smell blood ie injured animal easy picking (or dead)<br />3. Smell a live animal (like you said) same way as others would smell a live animal and know if its danger<br /><br />Im sure there is even more. So, why cant it be the opposite like you said? They are ruling out all possibilites when they say &quot;oh, good smell. They must of used it to detect dead prey&quot;<br /><br />How can horner and any other scientist be that ignorent? Not saying they are wrong, cuz no one will know for sure 100%. But it annoys me he and anyone else forget these other facts.<br /><br />They also talk about how allosaurus is like a smaller Trex. They say he was the greatest hunter of that time? If hes so much like the Trex, why does horner call him a scavenger, and not the allo?<br /><br />(I may be wrong on that last part, I might be missing a fact somewhere its based on what I know now so sorry)

[Nagisa]

Well, I guess I should point out that thankfully Horner's blatant T.rex bashing is...not very popular in the least among his paleontological colleagues. The greater majority of reputable paleontologists agree that T.rex was one of the top predators of the Cretaceous.<br /><br />Y'know, one thing I've noticed about Horner's argument is that most of it is based around the size of predators' arms. A lot of the time, the main reason he gives for T.rex being a scavenger is that its arms were too tiny to grab and kill prey with. He seems to be forgetting something important here. You see, predators (modern and extinct) kill prey in one of three primary methods (variations exist, mind you, but these are the three most common): holding prey with forelimbs and crushing the neck (i.e. big cats), catching and killing prey strictly with the jaws (i.e. wolves and other wild dogs), and killing or fatally wounding prey with talons before feasting (i.e. birds of prey).<br /><br />Horner seems to think that the ONLY way predators kill prey is by holding with the forelimbs and biting the neck until dead. He forgets how many modern predators, like wolves and crocodiles, kill their prey. Is it not possible that, since T.rex couldn't grab prey, it may have simply done like the aforementioned wolves or crocs and both held &amp; incapacitated prey using only its jaws? They were strong enough, teeth were big enough, so why not, Mr. Horner?<br /><br />This also explains why he believes Spinosaurus was the &quot;superduperuberpredator,&quot; or whatever.<br /><br />And again, I DO have a great deal of respect for Jack Horner. He has done a lot to further the belief that dinosaurs were warm-blooded, active, behaviourally-complex animals. But when it comes to large predatory dinosaurs, I'm highly critical of anything he has to say, because his track record in that field ain't so great so far. /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />;;;

[Sara]

... *pets Nagisa's shoulder* calm down there, buddy.<br /><br />The only reason why rex and the others where portrayed as the &quot;badass&quot; was in the early movies of the tyrant king, it shown him as ... well, a badass. I'm not bashing T-Rex, but I am not a huge fan of his stata, I once was until I found Megaraptor and so-forth.

[Nagisa]

Yeah...again, sorry. x.x<br /><br />And yeah, I'm also a bigger fan of a few other theropods than I am of T.rex. Of course, I am the outspoken Albertosaurus fanboy. But I'm also kind of a fanboy of Acrocanthosaurus (can't argue with an animal that bullied giant Raptors around), Afrovenator, Baryonyx, Deinonychus (the primary reason I find it so easy to overlook the &quot;artistic license&quot; taken with JP's Velociraptors...they're basically Deinonychus with another name! /happy.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="^_^" border="0" alt="happy.gif" />;;; ), and Suchomimus.<br /><br />But then, yeah, I still find it annoying when people feel it's necessary to just grind T.rex into the dirt with the heel of their boot. :-

[Anonymous]

I have a question: what the hell IS a megaraptor??? I'v heard about them, but I don't know anything. were they 40 feeters? did they hunt in packs?(which would be AWESOME)

[T-REX]

[quote author=Peachfuzz link=board=9;threadid=2070;start=15#msg31147 date=1057989621]<br />They also talk about how allosaurus is like a smaller Trex. They say he was the greatest hunter of that time? If hes so much like the Trex, why does horner call him a scavenger, and not the allo?<br /><hr></blockquote><br /><br />i thought it was Albertosaurus that was like a small T-rex not Allosaurus.<br /><br />

[Dino_Slayer]

[quote author=spinokilling t-rex link=board=9;threadid=2070;start=15#msg31172 date=1058021931]<br />I have a question: what the hell IS a megaraptor??? I'v heard about them, but I don't know anything. were they 40 feeters? did they hunt in packs?(which would be AWESOME)<br /><hr></blockquote><br />Megaraptor Namunhuaiguii(yes,thats its full name)is thought to be the largest Dromeosaurid ever found.It was allmost as large as T-rex and did most likely hunt in packs,which would make it the deadliest organism that has ever lived.I think it should be in Jurassic Park 4.