Johnston Once Attached to JP4?

[TyrannosaurusMatt]

Damnit! I still haven't figured out how to use quote boxes.

Anyways, I just wanted to add that I like stop-motion animation, but I realize that it's a dated art-form. It could still be used as a visual effect in some films, but it would have to be done in a real subtle way.

Click on the quote button above a post. /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" />

[SSJDinoTycoon42]

Are you kidding? Episode I looked like a video game, I can pin point every CGI creature, set piece, and alien in that movie. I can say the same for Episode II. The CGI during the battle of Geonosis was just horrible. The lighting was so bright that they had to put a halo effect on the live-action actors to try and match them with the harshly lit CGI environment. But it didn't work, the CGI around the actors sticks out like a sore thumb. Even Episode III's animation doesn't look that good. I do think that it looks better than the animation used in episode I&II, but it still looks cartoony.



The Hulk looked like Shrek on steroids.

well, i was watching a special on..i think the creatures of Star Wars, and they said that Genosis was supposed to have a very bright environment. they also stated that this was the reason why the Acklay had trouble getting Obi-Wan, because it was from a dark jungle planet. also remember, these creatures are complete fiction, so it has to be difficult to create them without knowing exactly what George Lucas is thinking. and who knows, maybe they're supposed to look like that. again, the way the environments look in the movies, is how they're supposed to look if they were real. they're not supposed to look like Earth.


that's how the Hulk looked in the comics and cartoons. it's much better than the original live action Hulk TV show. that was just horrible(at least compared to today)





i noticed while watching Episode III, that pretty much every shot is full of CGI(i didn't notice them speifically, but i know what they couldn't create in real life). in most of the shots that i remember, it seems that the shot was probably just the actors and blue screen, and those are the shots with lots of stuff going on, so there's probably a lot of CGI that you wouldn't know is CGI

[lilgamefreek]

Damnit! I still haven't figured out how to use quote boxes.

Anyways, I just wanted to add that I like stop-motion animation, but I realize that it's a dated art-form. It could still be used as a visual effect in some films, but it would have to be done in a real subtle way.

Mastered the edit button, you have not young padawan. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

The original trilogy, now that was good stuff.

[Luke Skywalker]

I can pin point every CGI creature, set piece, and alien in that movie.

I bet you cannot.

I am a CGI freak, and everytime i see a 'making of' one of these i discover new things i dint knew.



I think Lucas uses too much CGI, but for me, thank god it is good.

[pack raptor]

I have a pretty sharp eye for movie tricks. It's not exactly hard to spot CGI in a Star Wars prequel. Maybe in a film with less visual effects, but Star Wars? That's like shooting fish in a barrel. Just look for the brightest elements in the scene.

SSJDinoTycoon, I get what you're saying, but the actors don't even match the environment in Episode II. If you're going to make a brightly lit CGI environment you should at least make sure your actors match the lighting in the scene.

[Luke Skywalker]

I have a pretty sharp eye for movie tricks. It's not exactly hard to spot CGI in a Star Wars prequel. Maybe in a film with less visual effects, but Star Wars? That's like shooting fish in a barrel. Just look for the brightest elements in the scene.

Can you tell when the real City of theed ends?

Can you tell me where the real sand floor from the arena in EPII ends continuing with the CGI one?

Do you know that palpatine's office in EPIII consists on his chair and desk, and maybe the window frame?

Can you spot any 'strangeness' in C3PO mirror like body? You know they erase all the blue/green screen reflections as well as cameras and crew?

With star wars is pretty easy to spot cgi. But spot ALL of it? I think noone can.

And about the lighting, i think its pretty neat in those movies.

[SSJDinoTycoon42]

it is very easy to spot things. but most of those are things that you know are impossible to make in real life(the Jedi Starfighter for example, but those were very good in my opinion) as for the not so obvious things, sure, many of them can be spotted if you're looking for them, but it's unlikely that you could get all of them, because there are so many, and a lot are very discriet(spelling?) that you might pass by while the camera is moving or over in the background


i understand what you mean about that. for Genosis shots i guess they should have put brighter lights on them or something. i have to watch it again to see what you're talking about



hmmm...i never thought about those. i'll have to look for them the next time i watch the movies.




think about this: CGI could be a wound on an actor

[pack raptor]

Well, I'll put it this way, Luke Skywalker, it's not hard to spot CGI in a Star Wars movie because it looks like CGI. You know as well as I do that they filmed most of the Star Wars prequels in the same way as "Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow". They use actors on blue screen sound stages and later add CGI backgrounds during post production, except that in the Star Wars prequels they occasionally shoot with partial set pieces. Blue screen doesn't always look good, you'll see the CGI smudge effect around the actors, sometimes they're darker than the rest of background, and some times they're lighter.

As far as I'm concerned, if a computer animator can't blend elements like CGI sand with sand in the foreground shot, then they don't deserve their job.

George Lucas was a pioneer of practical special effects in the 1970's & 1980's. He created ILM from scratch. Back then, they didn't have the luxury of CGI, so they relied more on their wits to get the job done, rather than the technology. I think because of the lack of technology, George Lucas was at a creative peak in the 1980's. But now that Lucas has the millions of dollars, and ILM's animation staff at his disposal, he has lost sight of the way things were before. He's become obsessed with CGI, and uses it with no restraint. That's my problem with the prequel trilogy, shots are done in CG because Lucas has the money, not because it's the best way to do it. A good example of what I'm talking about is Yoda. When Yoda was done as a puppet I could believe in the character because it was something real interacting with Luke. But his CGI counter-part seems hollow, and I can't see Yoda as a character anymore, I only see a visual effect. That's exactly why Lucas has lost his touch, he has become more dependent on the technology, than his own imagination.

[Dino_Slayer]

*rips apart a sand bag* Darned JP4 project!!! We still don't know a thing!! I'm cursing these people!!!! *goes to pound his fist on a corner*

[Luke Skywalker]

Im really tired of people quoting Yoda from the OT.
After ROTS, i watched both ESB and ROTJ, and sorry his movements have no comparison with the reality CGI gives. Even TPM menace one, which was a marvel puppet (regardless of its awful face) doesnt look good. Did you saw Yoda walking in the Tantive IV? Now there he really looked like the puppet, but he moved correctly.

And i have seen people that dont like CGI like you saying that Yoda crawling to chewacca's back was great.

About the OT, i must say that it was great the time they were released, but please dont tell me that for example, the Battle of Yavin starfighter explosions should have been used in the 21st century prequels. They are awful and will always look exploding models.

But anyway, my experience tells me this kind of discussion never ends and no part is ever convinced by the other so we should end (plus we are a little off topic) and be friends /smile.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":)" border="0" alt="smile.gif" />