If Jurassic Park ever happened....

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 05 Jun 2005, 03:12

/laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" /> *LOL* Hahaha! Nice! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Anyway, Deepy_ravi, do you have ANY evidence to prove your point there? /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />
Anyway, I never said to train a reptile like a dog..., go back and find that... I never said anything like that.
All I did say was that, they can be tamed. Also, Steve Irwin... have you seen his Zoo attractions? What he does is he lures the croc out what with food, this is a form of taming. In fact, if you look at circus animals, this was how they were tamed... AND, if you're trying to train a puppy, you also use simlar techiques... you TREAT the puppy with food... so in short, This is a form of taming an animal-- it can be used with reptiles too.

Anyway, i'm going to go find some stuff which will prove you wrong... so, laters!
/cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 05 Jun 2005, 03:36

well, I'm back... and
*LOL* Hahha, ok, the following is something which is gonna flatten someone --eg: Deepu_ravi /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Ok, I went to: http://www.turtlecare.net/taming.htm

And I found:
Can reptiles become tame ?

Short answer: YES.
Long answer: Most will, some won't. Reptiles have not been selected
and bred for gentle temperament, even though some heavily captve bread
species, like corn snakes, seem mellower than wild caught specimens.

Some species/individuals are more likely to get used to you than others.
Some species/individuals will get non-shy and eat from your hand but
will never let you touch them.
Some species/individuals will tolerate handling in return for food,
others will hate it.
Some species/individuals will run, others will bite.
...and some will be really tame and develop a taste for having their
neck scratched.

To find the whole thing which continues with that... just go to: http://www.turtlecare.net/taming.htm

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 05 Jun 2005, 03:38

well, I'm back... and
*LOL* Hahha, ok, the following is something which is gonna flatten someone --eg: Deepu_ravi /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" />

Ok, I went to: http://www.turtlecare.net/taming.htm

And I found:
Can reptiles become tame ?

Short answer: YES.
Long answer: Most will, some won't. Reptiles have not been selected
and bred for gentle temperament, even though some heavily captve bread
species, like corn snakes, seem mellower than wild caught specimens.

Some species/individuals are more likely to get used to you than others.
Some species/individuals will get non-shy and eat from your hand but
will never let you touch them.
Some species/individuals will tolerate handling in return for food,
others will hate it.
Some species/individuals will run, others will bite.
...and some will be really tame and develop a taste for having their
neck scratched.

To find the whole thing which continues with that... just go to: http://www.turtlecare.net/taming.htm
And there you go: EVIDENCE!
*Takes a mighty bow as NISSIN leaves the stage*

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 05 Jun 2005, 04:55

QUOTE actually species wise birds dominate mammals with 10,000 to mammals 4,300 species. and reptiles are at 7,870 at last count and amphibians are at 4834. So mammals are the lowest of the 4[/quote]

i wasn't saying anything with the number of the species.if you look at the nummber of species to find out the most dominant animal it would probably be the insects.even if the number of species is less i think mammals are the most dominant creatures.

being a mammal you are not supposed to underestimate yourself. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

QUOTE Anyway, Deepy_ravi, do you have ANY evidence to prove your point there?
Anyway, I never said to train a reptile like a dog..., go back and find that... I never said anything like that.
All I did say was that, they can be tamed. Also, Steve Irwin... have you seen his Zoo attractions? What he does is he lures the croc out what with food, this is a form of taming. In fact, if you look at circus animals, this was how they were tamed... AND, if you're trying to train a puppy, you also use simlar techiques... you TREAT the puppy with food... so in short, This is a form of taming an animal-- it can be used with reptiles too.[/quote]

yeah he lures them with food that i will accept but he does'nt tame them. they always act like wild animals.they always sees him as a food source and always attack him.i one of the episodes his mate wes gets bitten by a croc named graham.it would'nt have happened with a trained puppy.so how can you say that REPTILES CAN BE TRAINED
/blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" /> /blink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":blink:" border="0" alt="blink.gif" />

QUOTE Can reptiles become tame ?

Short answer: YES.
Long answer: Most will, some won't. Reptiles have not been selected
and bred for gentle temperament, even though some heavily captve bread
species, like corn snakes, seem mellower than wild caught specimens.

Some species/individuals are more likely to get used to you than others.
Some species/individuals will get non-shy and eat from your hand but
will never let you touch them.
Some species/individuals will tolerate handling in return for food,
others will hate it.
Some species/individuals will run, others will bite.
...and some will be really tame and develop a taste for having their
neck scratched.[/quote]

i think you tried to cover up something ,there is something else in that page that i want to show you

When buying a reptile, if you want it to become tame, buy and animal that seems calm and friendly. Unless you are prepared to invest a lot of time and effort without promise of success, don't go for the more 'challenging' animal.

Some species start out friendly as babies and will develop a rotten temper when they get older. Reticulated Pythons have that reputation.
Some species, no matter how tame, can become dangerous when they get bigger. They can hurt you, when the get angry or scared. And they can potentially kill you, if they mistake you for food.

No matter how tame your animal gets, expect to get bitten or scratched, occasionally, if the animal is upset or scared. Use tongs for biters, and gloves.

Remember: ALL REPTILES ARE WILD ANIMALS. Treat them as such, and you can avoid trouble

so from this my point of vision is just about perfect.there is only little chance of success when it comes to taming reptiles.the above text really shows that.

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 05 Jun 2005, 19:18

I wasn't trying to cover at all! Thats why I gave the whole link for that webpage-- idiot!
I was just showing you that there are people who do agree.
And, it is possible to tame one -- yes it would take a lot of time.
Also, I have a pet lizard which I have had for 4 months now, I have been able to get him to do a few things... not rolling over and such... lol, no. But I can get him to be obident... I'm willing to tame the little guy, but as the article says... I'm willing to spend the time taming him, you need to do that if you're a good owner. Also, if I don't, then who will? It's like... trying to tame wild animals... they don't happen over night you know... /dry.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="<_<" border="0" alt="dry.gif" />
But then again, what do YOU expect? Do you think I was expecting a crocodile to go fetch?

*"Here boy, Go fetch! Go fetch the stick! Wooo, what a good little boy! Good crocodile...!"* /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Anyway, I have emailed Steve Irwin, and you'll get a direct reply from him on whether it is possible to tame repitles (in general).
I'll let you guys know when that email arrives...

Also, I will carry on the reply for this later...

QUOTE i wasn't saying anything with the number of the species.if you look at the nummber of species to find out the most dominant animal it would probably be the insects.even if the number of species is less i think mammals are the most dominant creatures.[/quote]

If mammals are SO dominant, then why have reptiles been around for so long...? Why have they been sucessful? And how come today they are one of the top in the food chain?

Oh, and about Graham the crocodile, he's the agressive one... but then again, when you do train a dog, you can still expect to get bitten. Animals always react in defence if they think they're in danger. My dog has done that a few times with my dad so yeah... thats nothing new. It's happened when they've tried to tame tigers and bears... also with pythons, crocodiles, falcons...
QUOTE No matter how tame your animal gets, expect to get bitten or scratched, occasionally, if the animal is upset or scared.[/quote] -- from the SAME article I gave out last night...

Tyrannis · Post by **Tyrannis** » 05 Jun 2005, 21:27

and Reptiles have yet to be domesticated like our mammal and birds friends. Take a wolf and even though they are similiar to dogs you still will get a very unpredicable animal on your hands. Or take a bison and try to raise it like a bottle fed calf see how likely it'll be that it'll let you in a pen with it when it's a year old

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 05 Jun 2005, 21:44

...thats a very good example! /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

Tyrannis · Post by **Tyrannis** » 06 Jun 2005, 00:37

knowing something about animals is truly helpful when dicussing them /biggrin.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":D" border="0" alt="biggrin.gif" /> . So Deepu those points truly are moot. I'm just happy being sentient and whoever said I was a mammal, you know we African Greys are pretty smart. /tongue.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":P" border="0" alt="tongue.gif" /> /wink.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=";)" border="0" alt="wink.gif" />

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 06 Jun 2005, 00:47

*lol* /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />
*E.T snorts with laughter*

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 06 Jun 2005, 01:49

QUOTE If mammals are SO dominant, then why have reptiles been around for so long...? Why have they been sucessful? And how come today they are one of the top in the food chain?[/quote]

reptiles evolved millions of years before mammals came to the earth i think thats why they were dominat earlier and at that time they were the most intelligent and powerful animals so they didn't had much challenge.except maybe komodo islands,river ecosystems,galalapagos islands where would you find reptiles at the top of the food chain.

QUOTE But then again, what do YOU expect? Do you think I was expecting a crocodile to go fetch?

*"Here boy, Go fetch! Go fetch the stick! Wooo, what a good little boy! Good crocodile...!"*[/quote]

this itself shows that it is difficult to tame reptiles.i think they will mostly remain unfriendly towards us.

QUOTE Oh, and about Graham the crocodile, he's the agressive one... but then again, when you do train a dog, you can still expect to get bitten. Animals always react in defence if they think they're in danger[/quote]

that doesn't have anything to do with aggression.he will attack anyone who steps on to his territory.it hasn't got anything to do with self defence it was purely territorial.
croc will attack anybody that steps on his water without any reason.a tamed dog or a cat would not attack anybody without any reason.