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SSJDinoTycoon 42, you do realize that some of the best stories end in tragedy. Also not all endings are boring, alot of good endings give you a sense of fulfillment. In some films the best part is the ending. My problem with JPIV having a happy ending is that that would be the most predictable route they could take. The last thing that the JP franchise needs is to become even more predictable and formulaic than it already is.

Jurassic Park isn't really all about the nature aspect. If that was the case it would be alot less interesting. Could you imagine a Jurassic Park film without carnage? No one would want to see it. Especially now, you can't really impress audiences with dinosaur eye-candy. So it's best to just make the 4th installment gritty. They have held back too much in the past sequels. They should pull out all the stops this time.

I agree. What the next film MUST do is revealing all that was left out. Otherwise there will be no JP4.

I've read Tom's dio story before and I got to tell you, it is one of the best ideas for a fourth movie from a fan. The site just stopped working, though.

Okay, being inspired by Tommy Davidson's diorama story for a long time, I came up with a nice premise that is halfly based around his source material and the supposedly(if John Sayles is to be believed) official script that was canned. Now, in order for this thing to work we have to forget our different opinions about what the movie should be about and simply work together to make it as great as possible. The following premise is based around three things. 1) No original characters returning to the island, 2) As much original book characters and events as possible, and 3) Return to Isla Nublar, the very place where this trilogy could be perfectly ended, knowing that there's no way to bring this thing to the mainland fully, the reason being that there can only be so much to be done with the dinosaurs there, plus, Isla Sorna being completely used up as an idea. So bare with me, and simply tell me if this thing can actually work as a credible and original idea. Here it is:

A young boy is ambushed and killed near a Costa Rican village and the government starts an investigation. An explanation is needed, knowing that Site B, the place where the dinosaurs could originate from, is located too far away from the mainland for the animals to migrate. The experts are puzzled about their real origin. Sam Harris is employed by an ex-commander of his to accept a job by a familiar man. Ian Malcolm has teamed up with the governments to find the source for these new dinosaurs and has promised to acquire every info needed to get rid of them once and for all, and prevent people from accessing Site B. He explains to Sam that the dinosaurs of Site B have been suffering from a sickness called DX and are slowly but surely vanishing from the island, the reason the governments are puzzled about the origin of the ones behind the mayhem, these ones seemingly not having the sickness. Malcolm has gathered information about people who once worked for InGen, these people now being payed by another company named Biosyn Corporation to deliver technical equipment to an unknown source. Malcolm then reveals that Hammond's very original theme park in Isla Nublar, now forgotten by the public, was bought by them after InGen went bankrupt. He suspects that they may have something to do with the new dinosaurs and wants to send Harris to the island in secrecy to sniff out their plans. Harris receives advice from his partner in the project, our old friend, Alan Grant, and is then set underway to the island, accompanied by a field equipment specialist, Jack Thorne, and a qualified dinosaur expert, Richard Levine. When he gets there he finds out that Biosyn has turned this deserted place into a new prehistoric heaven, having researched their own dinosaurs for more than eight years now in their fairly sophisticated genetics laboratory hidden from the puplic's eye. Sam finds out that they plan to produce a new breed of super dinosaurs that will then be used as biological weapons. Sam realizes that a new breed of dinosaurs could spell trouble for the other countries if set loose. Little does he know that there is a sinister plot going on inside the corporation. A small group of people plan to extract blood and steal eggs from the animals and use them for their own needs. In no time a trouble is cooked up as they block the electricity from the main laboratory and seal everyone inside, setting to the job of getting the needed samples. This gives Sam a chance to get ahead of Biosyn. A game of cat and mouse is started where Sam must evade his pursuers and seal the escaped dinosaurs in the the facility with the help of the workers before the military arrives.

yes i do know of great stories that end in tragedy, and i enjoyed them. i know that they will probably kill of the dinosaurs, that would be a tragedy. i would be sad to see them go, but i wouldn't mind it too much. however, having a plot twist that goes against the formula can be a very bad move. i can't cite specific examples, but i have seen some stories take a drastic turn for the worse(meaning the story itself was bad) just to make it unpredictable. but some well thought out plot twists wouldn't hurt.

of course it not ALL about nature...if it were, it would be a documentary like Walking with Dinosaurs. the original Jurassic Park had barely anything graphic, except for maybe the Gallimimus. i think the audience should be impressed by a good story, not by how much death and slaughter they can show. The Lost World was more successful than JP3 and it had less graphic content. plus they're probably trying to stay within the PG-13 rating.

SSJDinoTycoon42 wrote:of course it not ALL about nature...if it were, it would be a documentary like Walking with Dinosaurs. the original Jurassic Park had barely anything graphic, except for maybe the Gallimimus. i think the audience should be impressed by a good story, not by how much death and slaughter they can show. The Lost World was more successful than JP3 and it had less graphic content. plus they're probably trying to stay within the PG-13 rating.

Exact. We want carnage, but more like in JP and TLW. Not the stupid monster-like behavior of the Spinosaurus and the Raptors in JP3.

An idea that I had, it would be Dodgson which return to Isla Nublar with one or two assistants to take eggs of dinosaurs to have labo animals, as in The Lost World novel. But here is, the government, which spy the suspect actions of BioSyn, discovers the expedition and sends agents. On the island, the agents would pursuit the group of Dodgson, perhaps that one of the two assistants would try to kill Lewis (it would have been paid by the government for that), but the two groups would lose the control of the situation only late in the movie. And maybe everyone dies killed by the dinosaurs at the end.

I think if we introduce a new island, as some people in other fan sites have suggested, it will only suggest another story and also another movie, JP4 should end the JP series in a nice way...

[QUOTE](SSJDinoTycoon42 Posted on 07.25.2005)

i think the audience should be impressed by a good story, not by how much death and slaughter they can show. The Lost World was more successful than JP3 and it had less graphic content.


The Lost World had LESS graphic content than JP3?! Did you forget about the scene where Eddie Carr was ripped in half? If anything, JP3 was the mildest film in the JP trilogy. JP3 felt like the toned-down, kiddy version of Jurassic Park.

Gore doesn't scare people, it disgusts people. Gore can be used in good taste. But suspense is not about how much blood you can show the audience, it's about how much fear you can put in the minds of your viewers. No offense, but it's a little naive to think that a great story concept can be created for JP4, they've done everything, and frankly, they're going to have to do something a bit crazy to get this project going; maybe not as crazy as what John Sayles was thinking, but crazy nonetheless.

Just read the premise and tell me if it's good enough.

Well, it's okay.It sounds a little like Jurassic Park D'eja' vu. Just my opinion though.

It may sound like a repeat but in the story Nublar is no longer what it used to be. It has been turned into a heavily armed, controlled environment. It also doesn't repeat the first movie but takes more influences from the scenes in the first and second books. If that's your opinion, I respect it, but then you will really understand how hard it is to create these stories. Just imagine this film as a kind of a rebirth of the SNES game JP2:The Chaos Continues.

pack raptor wrote:The Lost World had LESS graphic content than JP3?! Did you forget about the scene where Eddie Carr was ripped in half? If anything, JP3 was the mildest film in the JP trilogy. JP3 felt like the toned-down, kiddy version of Jurassic Park.

Gore doesn't scare people, it disgusts people. Gore can be used in good taste. But suspense is not about how much blood you can show the audience, it's about how much fear you can put in the minds of your viewers. No offense, but it's a little naive to think that a great story concept can be created for JP4, they've done everything, and frankly, they're going to have to do something a bit crazy to get this project going; maybe not as crazy as what John Sayles was thinking, but crazy nonetheless.

the death of Eddie Carr was not as graphic as it might sound. they showed it from a distance and in the dark so you couldn't actually see much. JP and TLW both did not actually show you people being eaten, they either cut away from it or blocked your view from it. but then in JP3 you see a Raptor toe Udesky and then clamp down his jaws on his head and sort of bit his ear off(i'm still not sure exactly what that was supposed to be)

gore can do both. you're right though about using it correctly. they used blood very nicely on JP and the TLW, but not in excess. but they only showed the blood, to hint that the person was killed instead of showing someone eaten alive. i say bring back the JP and TLW style of death.

hey, anything's possible. there's still enough options left to pull off a good story, it just takes time and work. it really doesn't seem like they're trying to revive JP, it's more like they're trying to find a good way to end it. the project probably won't be moving anywhere after this, but if that's not what you mean then tell me.