If Jurassic Park ever happened....

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 02 Jun 2005, 10:37

Have you heard of, I think it was "Koko the Gorilla"? Or something like that anyway... it learnt how to communicate to humans with sign language.
Also, Dogs, we've been able to tame them well.
Lions, yep, we have been able to tame 'em too!
Doliphins... yep, them too....
Birds, such as falcons, owls, parrots, we've ALSO BEEN ABLE TO TAME THEM!
Now go through that little list, you gotta admit that not all of these animals seem 'smart', but look at what WE HUMANS have been able to teach them! lol!

look nissin you've given me a lot of examples here but in here most of them are mammals and mammals are at the pinnacle of evolution and so they have highly evolved brains and so they can communicate and learn different things and birds are also much developed so they can also learn a few things.dinosaurs i think is a bit primitive and i think their brains are'nt that developed so i think they can't be tamed. /cool.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="B)" border="0" alt="cool.gif" />

[/QUOTE]They were capable to organise some form of hunting technique. If they were able to do something like this, it means that they were able to commuincate throughout the pack well. To do this, they needed some sort of 'language'. Now, as you know, language takes up a big part of any creatures brain. It does show that Raptors were 'smart' enough to do things like this (this example can also be seen throughout the JP movies too).

i don't think they should have used some complex languages instead they might have made some sound.if you look at american alligators they make a wide variety of sounds and they are renowned for their vocalization.can you train an american alligator?i don't thinks so.so i think dinosaurs also CANNOT BE TRAINED.

i think i have proved my point here.

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Tyrannis · Post by **Tyrannis** » 02 Jun 2005, 15:15

Dude that sounds like a very creationist argument, mammals as pinnacles of evolution are you kidding me? There is no such thing nature doesn't strive for complexity it just has a likelyhood of happening.

beeurd · Post by **beeurd** » 02 Jun 2005, 22:01

I'm pretty sure you can tame an alligator. I've never tried of course, though... /laugh.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid=":lol:" border="0" alt="laugh.gif" />

Tyrannis · Post by **Tyrannis** » 03 Jun 2005, 00:49

beeurd what are you doing in here, I don't think I've ever seen you in here

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 03 Jun 2005, 01:11

QUOTE Dude that sounds like a very creationist argument, mammals as pinnacles of evolution are you kidding me?[/quote]

i did'nt try to be a creationist here.i think it's a fact you got to accept.i strongly believe mammals are at the pinnacle of evolution and are the most intelligent animals.if it had'nt been like that then how would we humans be the most intelligent animals.

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 03 Jun 2005, 01:49

QUOTE i don't think they should have used some complex languages instead they might have made some sound.if you look at american alligators they make a wide variety of sounds and they are renowned for their vocalization.can you train an american alligator?i don't thinks so.so i think dinosaurs also CANNOT BE TRAINED.[/quote]

Well, EXCUSE ME, ISNT THAT A FORM OF COMMUNICATION!? In case YOU don't know, language comes in a number of DIFFERENT forms, not always requiring SPEECH! /mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

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Look at chimps, they just facial expressions and all that!
Have you heard of body language? Have you heard of eye contact? Have you heard of guestures? Have you heard of vocalization in animals? Huh?!

Also, we're able to 'tame' frogs aren't we? What about snakes? Heard of Steve Irwin -- the Croc Hunter? Yeah, he practically tames crocos, so why wouldn't it be possible to tame a repitle?
HAVE YOU EVEN TRIED TO TAME A DAMN DINOSAUR? /mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

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Obviously not, so how the hell can you say its impossible and that they are dumb????!!!!! /mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

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Tyrannis · Post by **Tyrannis** » 03 Jun 2005, 14:17

Nissin that explains it to a T. Deepu_Ravi there can't be a pinnacle of evolution because evolution is an unseeing, unplanned thing. It doesn't have a guiding hand involved so there can be no such thing as a pinnacle. Reptiles can outcompete mammlas in some cases like the gator and croc as top predators of the frehwater ecosystem where they are present.

nissin · Post by **nissin** » 03 Jun 2005, 19:05

Hi everyone, Sorry about yesterday's post...
Was just a little grummy after having 2 injections... *lol*
Don't worry, I'm in a better mood today....

Anyway, Tyrannis, you're right there. Evolution is something which is unplanned and full of surprises. LOve your point made there on evolution!
Also, yes in some cases reptiles do outcompete mammals.

PS: I'm doing a book review in Eng class for JP... does anyone have any suggestions on:
1) Who this book was indended for? And why it would be a relavance to teenagers.
and
2) The main message or theme explored in the book?

Deepu_ravi · Post by **Deepu_ravi** » 04 Jun 2005, 08:15

QUOTE Also, we're able to 'tame' frogs aren't we? What about snakes? Heard of Steve Irwin -- the Croc Hunter? Yeah, he practically tames crocos, so why wouldn't it be possible to tame a repitle?
HAVE YOU EVEN TRIED TO TAME A DAMN DINOSAUR?
Obviously not, so how the hell can you say its impossible and that they are dumb????!!!!![/quote]

i haven't heard of steve irwin taming a croc.he survives with thm.they always sees him as a food source and goes after him thats all.it is impossible to tame a croc like a dog.i think it can't even be trained to do the simplest things. /mad.gif" style="vertical-align:middle" emoid="

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QUOTE Nissin that explains it to a T. Deepu_Ravi there can't be a pinnacle of evolution because evolution is an unseeing, unplanned thing. It doesn't have a guiding hand involved so there can be no such thing as a pinnacle. Reptiles can outcompete mammlas in some cases like the gator and croc as top predators of the frehwater ecosystem where they are present.[/quote]

i wasn't talking about competition between mammals and reptiles.what i said was that mammals are more intelligent than reptiles.
that is why i said it is impossible to train a reptile.

if you want to look at the competition aspect in most areas i think mammals are the front-runners.i most parts of the world mammals are more superior than reptiles except may be australia and galapagos island.

the brains of reptiles are not all as developed as mammals.

Tyrannis · Post by **Tyrannis** » 05 Jun 2005, 01:27

actually species wise birds dominate mammals with 10,000 to mammals 4,300 species. and reptiles are at 7,870 at last count and amphibians are at 4834. So mammals are the lowest of the 4