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thenextalangrant · Post by **thenextalangrant** » 16 Jun 2003, 00:25

Ok, all of a sudden, Smith can clone himself. Has anyone else wondered if Neo could maybe clone himself now, as well? And, if Smith can clone himself, can the other Agents do so as well? And, Malcolm, think maybe you could link to some of the stuff that didn't make it into the Matrix? I'm interested in reading just for sake of reading.

DinoMerc · Post by **DinoMerc** » 16 Jun 2003, 13:08

Smith isn't an agent he was freed.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » 16 Jun 2003, 18:29

I found some drafts of the Matrix dated 1996 and 1997 at soem script sites. I printed the 96's draft of the Matix off, but havent had time to read it yet. But onces I get time I will and whatever I find I'll post here.

thenextalangrant · Post by **thenextalangrant** » 16 Jun 2003, 22:40

Yes, I do realize that Smith is no longer an agent in the second film. But, just because one is freed, it doesn't automatically give one fun little powers. But, it makes me wonder if those that are still agents can clone themselves and if Neo can do so. Especially if Neo is part of Smith and vice versa. And, cool, thanks Malcolm!

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » 16 Jun 2003, 22:55

Here's the link to the draft writen APRIL 8, 1996: http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/matrix...draft.txt And the draft writen JUNE 3, 1997: http://www.scifiscripts.com/scripts/matrix...draft.txt I started reading the '96 draft, only got to the part where Neo meets Morpheus, but there is a few different things that happen before the meeting, some new (cut) characters and scenes.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » 16 Jun 2003, 22:59

I also have the final draft of the Matrix script. Just like the movie, has the even some cut scenes.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 17 Jun 2003, 00:43

My analysis of the film: The "real" world isn't the Matrix. Remember when Smith was talking to Neo about how a little of both of their lines of code were give onto the opposite? The reason Neo can control whatever is in the outside world is because Neo is now so "free" that he is utilizing other parts of brain never before used (telekinesis, telepathy, etc) or he now is part machine so much that he can control the machines outside the matrix (they are all networked together, so why not?). This has also enabled Neo to grow apparent differences from the other "One's"... his different reaction to the Architect (that's the reason for the monitors displaying Neo's emotions), the different door, flying faster then has ever been seen in the Matrix (when racing to save Trinity). His ability to save/resurrect Trinity is also a big indication he is something the Machines didn't count on (can you say Lazarus anyone?). What Smith's code has done has been to free Neo's mind even further. And Neo's code has freed Smith completely and made him almost as strong as Neo. Bassicly everything that's been posted before.

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » 17 Jun 2003, 01:14

[quote author=marty2oo2 link=board=30;threadid=1802;start=0#msg27167 date=1055532588] Second, I still see no reason for the flying effects. They just seem too... unnecessary. I got the point that he wants to save Trinity. <hr></blockquote> The effects are to show how much Neo cares for Trinity. If the shot was composed of Neo flying in a regular pace with an indifferent face like every other flying scene in the movie, would it still have the same impact? No. [quote author=marty2oo2 link=board=30;threadid=1802;start=0#msg27167 date=1055532588]Concerning the Zion party scene: If it was there to show us that the real world is different to the Matrix - why was there no difference? I don't think having some hundred teenagers dancing and some people f*cking is that unnormal and exotic. Just because they don't show us a party in the Matrix (actually, they did) dooesn't mean that there are none. Just because they don't show us people living happily in the Matrix dioesn't mean they do not exist (they do; otherwise, the Matrix wouldn't work). The only difference I saw was about technology: The real world has all these cool ships and mechs and oversized weapons. Even the politicial things are not different: They've got those old guys as their leaders, they've got... everything we know. <hr></blockquote> Good analysis. [quote author=marty2oo2 link=board=30;threadid=1802;start=0#msg27167 date=1055532588]And what's about the other things I mentioned? Like the clones and so on? Nobody wants to "explain" it to me?<hr></blockquote> 1. On Neo's fighting abilities: he's facing harder competition. Morpheus and Trinity are now usually running away. 2. I think the German translation is off. I don't believe the Architect said anything about Neo being a program, though one can make the assumption that the Oracles speech is really her trying to tell Neo that everything around them, including them and all of Zion, is nothing more than countless electrical bits working together to make something that is completely original. Even the machines in the real world could be simplified to two microspoipical, artificial parts working together in a mutual relationship to help the more important parts to work on a true simulation... or a true representation of a completely original mind... God himself. Thus leading us to believe that for an unknown reason (as his presence is unknown) God (or "The Architect&quot created the world not as a completely "natural" world with a universe, planets, stars, ect., but as a mechanical tech-board that controls all inside of it... like a computer. Instead of a symbolic undertone, this whole "God is the Architect" business could actually be real, and an ending to Revolutions. Of course, this whole post has been a philisophical mind-trip for me and I don't really convince myself of what I'm theorizing. I actually think that the human race with be given a choice, like Neo, and can choose to either help rebuild human society or remain in the Matrix. Now back on topic... 3. I don't think you mentioned anything about clones.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » 17 Jun 2003, 06:01

Now for all of you who can't recall everything the Architect said to Neo: here's a transcript of the whole conversation. The Architect - Hello, Neo. Neo - Who are you? The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant. Neo - Why am I here? The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here. Neo - You haven't answered my question. The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Others? What others? How many? Answer me!'* The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version. *Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Five versions? Three? I've been lied too. This is bull sh*t.* Neo - There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows. The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly's systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations. *Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: You can't control me! f*** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!* Neo - Choice. The problem is choice. *The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room* The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother. Neo - The Oracle. The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster. Neo - This is about Zion. The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated. Neo - Bull sh*t. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Bull sh*t!* The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. *Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.* The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive. The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. *The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors* The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love. *Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neo's dream appear on the monitors* Neo - Trinity. The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own. Neo - No! The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what you're going to do, don't we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it. *Neo walks to the door on his left* The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness. Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again. The Architect - We won't.

Malcolm · Post by **Malcolm** » 17 Jun 2003, 14:40

I just finished reading the 1996 Matrix draft, and I have to say there was some difference than the final draft.

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